B5 Movie • j********o@***.com 06/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC I liked it - it even had some moving parts (tee hee). I had thought that that version of the Centauri future had been avoided... I didn't like the equivocation on war guilt - originally as I watched the series it seemed clear that the Mimbari had screwed up, here they hedged and made the human commander a "loose cannon," etc. - also, about Sheridan's victory over the Blackstar, that little dig about "using a distress call to lure the enemy" with the implication that it was underhanded. I would have much preferred if the war had been Dilenn's master's fault (overriding the advice of the warriors) - but B5 always has to put virtue, intelligence, and wisdom together in a few heroes, and everyone else are nasty bozos. Ivanava looked cute with short hair (of _course_...) - and on the "Guide to B5" the woman who plays Dilenn looked good too (without her makeup) - kind of like that Russian skater, Gordeva. I'd always heard that thing on the Mimbaris' heads refered to as a "bone" but I've always assumed that it's a head-piece, not a growth, since it doesn't looks like it's part of the head - and the transformed Dilenn's hair appears to go under her crest anyway! So is it like a pair of fused antlers or is it a hat after all?! Seeing the first episode again, I remember that the technical architecture of how hyperspace worked seemed to have been vague at the time - but now I see that it was already thought out and they just failed to explain it. I had almost forgotten how enjoyable the early seasons were, compared with our epic and tiresome present. It occured to me that they could use their CGI to do some great free-standing holographic displays (like little ship representations chasing each other around the bridge) at a minimal cost. I don't understand why TNT is buying another season. Strazinsky's only going to make one more, right? so it seems like a waste of effort on their part to pay for and promote it. If they want the rights to the repeats, why not just buy them - especially since all the interesting stuff is already over! The audience base can only erode with the move to cable. Gorno Make yourself at home - but don't F'ing touch anything! • **@s*******.********h.com 06/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC In article <1*************.********6@l*******.****.***l.com>, j********o@***.com says... > I liked it - it even had some moving parts (tee hee). I had thought that that > version of the Centauri future had been avoided... I didn't like the > equivocation on war guilt - originally as I watched the series it seemed clear ..... > I don't understand why TNT is buying another season. Strazinsky's only going > to make one more, right? so it seems like a waste of effort on their part to > pay for and promote it. If they want the rights to the repeats, why not just > buy them - especially since all the interesting stuff is already over! The > audience base can only erode with the move to cable. > Gorno I thought that Peter Jurasik's performance was absolutely fantastic (it often is), and a lot of the show was well done. I did have some problems, though. I didn't like that the crux of the universe as shown in this movie was based on bad science (a wonderful harkening to TNG days, we get to see a ridiculously dense asteroid field). On top of that, I was annoyed that the writers felt it necessary to make nearly every single person who was crucial to the series crucial to the history in the movie (i.e..Londo, Stephen, G'Kar, Kosh, etc.). Let's just say I'm happy that at least Zack was absent (though I did like the guy). The movie was nice overall, and it really contrasted how far the show's creators have come from that first [completely, awfully wretched] pilot. I didn't originally enjoy the first season or two, but I'm glad that TNT is giving me another chance to give the show another chance. And for what it's worth, TNT bought Babylon Five because it'll lead them into getting exclusive rights to Crusade and Guardians (an upcoming JMS series similar is basic principle to Earth: Final Conflict [and this time, it CAN'T be said that JMS did it FIRST, so THERE!!!]), as well as future B5 movies like Thirdspace (which, for trivia information, was actually produced BEFORE In the Beginning). -JC PS: I'm using a new newsreader now. It's called Anawave Gravity (for Win95) and so far it's fantastic. However, I'm unsure whether its word- wrapping feature it working the way I'm expecting it to. email me at **@c*******h.com if your reader views the text in the above message going way over the right side of the screen, forcing you to either ignore the message or use the scrollbar. • b********r@p*******e.com 06/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC j********o@***.com (JohnGorno) wrote: >especially since all the interesting stuff is already over! In my last post, I neglected to take issue with Gorno's assertion. I think there's lots more "interesting stuff" to come. The whole Psi Corps thread has yet to play out, as do the battles against the Shadow minions. And the technomages are supposed to come back. The aftermath of the Shadow War may turn out to be more interesting than the war itself. Perrianne Lurie BucCONeer, the 56-th World Science Fiction Convention August 5-9, 1998, Baltimore, Maryland, USA P.O. Box 314, Annapolis Junction, MD 20701 b********r@b********.********n.org http://www.bucconeer.worldcon.org Personal E-mail: b********r@p*******e.com • p*******x@n***.****i.com 07/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC Perrianne Lurie (b********r@p*******e.com) somehow managed to write: : aftermath of the Shadow War may turn out to be more interesting than : the war itself. Mind you, this is speaking as a B5 fan...but the aftermath of the War would *have* to be more interesting than the War itself... -- 73 de Dave Weingart KA2ESK, ex KB2CWF "Can you find the Valium? mailto:p*******x@****.com Can you bring it soon? mailto:p*******x@e******.*********n.edu Lost Johnny's out there http://www.liii.com/~phydeaux Baying at the Moon" -- Hawkwind • b********r@p*******e.com 06/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC j********o@***.com (JohnGorno) wrote: >I had thought that that version of the Centauri future had been avoided... I don't know how you could have thought that. In the flash-forward (in an episode I can't recall the title of), we say that very day, when Sinclair and Delenn are brought before Londo (and his keeper). > I didn't like the equivocation on war guilt - originally as I watched the series it seemed clear >that the Mimbari had screwed up, here they hedged and made the human commander >a "loose cannon," etc. We always knew that the humans had fired on the Minbari ship because its gunports were open (which, we also knew, was standard procedure for the Minbari). > I'd always heard that thing on the Mimbaris' heads refered to as a "bone" but I've >always assumed that it's a head-piece, not a growth, since it doesn't looks >like it's part of the head - and the transformed Dilenn's hair appears to go >under her crest anyway! So is it like a pair of fused antlers or is it a hat >after all?! The "thing on the Minbaris' heads is a bone. It is part of their body which grows throughout life, and which they carve into interesting shapes (slightly different styles for the different castes). >I don't understand why TNT is buying another season. Strazinsky's only going >to make one more, right? so it seems like a waste of effort on their part to >pay for and promote it. If they want the rights to the repeats, why not just >buy them - especially since all the interesting stuff is already over! The >audience base can only erode with the move to cable. This gives TNT more episodes to rerun in syndication (including the three movies), and a year's worth of first run episodes to run in prime time and garner higher ratings. I'm not sure that the audience base will be less than it was under syndication. In fact, since TNT is promoting the hell out of the show (something WB never did), and since they're running the new episodes in a consistent prime time slot, they may have HIGHER ratings than B5 got in syndication (where it was unavailable in many parts of the country, and often relegated to horrible timeslots -- in York, PA, it was on at 1 am Monday mornings, etc.) Perrianne Lurie BucCONeer, the 56-th World Science Fiction Convention August 5-9, 1998, Baltimore, Maryland, USA P.O. Box 314, Annapolis Junction, MD 20701 b********r@b********.********n.org http://www.bucconeer.worldcon.org Personal E-mail: b********r@p*******e.com • Stargazer 08/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC JohnGorno wrote in message <1*************.********6@l*******.****.***l.com>... >I liked it - it even had some moving parts (tee hee). I had thought that that >version of the Centauri future had been avoided... I didn't like the >equivocation on war guilt - originally as I watched the series it seemed clear >that the Mimbari had screwed up, here they hedged and made the human >commander >a "loose cannon," etc. - also, about Sheridan's victory over the Blackstar, >that little dig about "using a distress call to lure the enemy" with the >implication that it was underhanded. I would have much preferred if the war >had been Dilenn's master's fault (overriding the advice of the warriors) - but >B5 always has to put virtue, intelligence, and wisdom together in a few heroes, >and everyone else are nasty bozos. Agreed. I could swear that future had been avoided as well or at the very least one of many possible futures. >Ivanava looked cute with short hair (of >_course_...) - and on the "Guide to B5" the woman who plays Dilenn looked good >too (without her makeup) - kind of like that Russian skater, Gordeva. I'd >always heard that thing on the Mimbaris' heads refered to as a "bone" but I've >always assumed that it's a head-piece, not a growth, since it doesn't looks >like it's part of the head - and the transformed Dilenn's hair appears to go >under her crest anyway! So is it like a pair of fused antlers or is it a hat >after all?! I understood that it was a bone. Hey Dilenn! Take off your hat -- oh _sorry_! >Seeing the first episode again, I remember that the technical architecture of >how hyperspace worked seemed to have been vague at the time - but now I see >that it was already thought out and they just failed to explain it. I had >almost forgotten how enjoyable the early seasons were, compared with our epic >and tiresome present. It occured to me that they could use their CGI to do >some great free-standing holographic displays (like little ship representations >chasing each other around the bridge) at a minimal cost. Yes, I've been watching the re-runs and they are pretty cool. >I don't understand why TNT is buying another season. Strazinsky's only going >to make one more, right? so it seems like a waste of effort on their part to >pay for and promote it. If they want the rights to the repeats, why not just >buy them - especially since all the interesting stuff is already over! The >audience base can only erode with the move to cable. I guess they figure it will develop an even bigger cult following. They can run the episode in re-runs ad infinitum and cash in on merchandising (Vorlon action figures etc.) --Doc Please note my new e-mail address: s********r@i********l.net • b********r@p*******e.com 09/01/1998 00:00:000 UTC "Stargazer" wrote: >I guess they figure it will develop an even bigger cult following. They can >run the episode in re-runs ad infinitum and cash in on merchandising (Vorlon >action figures etc.) Actually, the merchandising money doesn't go to TNT; it goes to Warner Brothers. Perrianne Lurie BucCONeer, the 56-th World Science Fiction Convention August 5-9, 1998, Baltimore, Maryland, USA P.O. Box 314, Annapolis Junction, MD 20701 b********r@b********.********n.org http://www.bucconeer.worldcon.org Personal E-mail: b********r@p*******e.com