ALT.SF4M

  Possible future trouble with e-mail and posting.

   • RH
     05/06/2004 03:27:24 UTC

     Seems to be a new push on for this hashcash stuff.

     If there comes a time that this will be required to post,

     it's the end of posting for me. I'm sure for most others

     here as well. No one in their right mind is going to spend

     1.5 hours to mint a token to post or e-mail only one msg.

     So, don't be surprised if in the near future any e-mailing or

     posting to this or any other NG ends abruptly. Enjoy it while

     you still can folks.

     --

     RH

       • blackjuju
         05/06/2004 17:20:54 UTC

         RH wrote:

         >Seems to be a new push on for this hashcash stuff.

         >If there comes a time that this will be required to post,

         >it's the end of posting for me. I'm sure for most others

         >here as well. No one in their right mind is going to spend

         >1.5 hours to mint a token to post or e-mail only one msg.

         I think the RW average time for 28 bits would be in the range of

         20-30min (machine depending of course). Still it would suck for

         posting to usenet..and I certainly would not waste my time or

         machine cycles.

         As it is at the moment..hashshit is only being tested on m2n gates.

         Unless remailers start to implement hashshit..it should not affect

         e-mail. But then again..once you poke a hole in the dam....

         --

         ~juju

       • Nephelin
         06/06/2004 15:11:51 UTC

         RH wrote:

         >Seems to be a new push on for this hashcash stuff.

         As always..my view is 'Why do things if they are only to end

         up being done in vein'. Let me ramble on...

         Geeks have top end boxen...so minting is not a problem.

         These same types live to throw monkey wrenches in to the

         works. They do not mentally mature...ever. Captain Crunch

         is a perfect example. To this day he still shoots his load by

         phone freaking as he did when he first did it.

         In conclusion...the ones that get off on flooding will still flood.

         The rem-ops will ultimately raise the bit requirements in an

         attempt to fight back (pissing contest). Thus...the people they

         will only rid will be the legit users.

         The oldest argument for having remailers etc. was so that

         people would have the ability to speak freely without the

         fear of repercussions from people whom may not agree with

         their views. People that may wish to 'blow the whistle' will

         now (if hashcash gets implemented fully) have to sit and mint

         tokens giving plenty of time for someone to look over their

         shoulders. Thusly destroying this avenue.

         Destroy the legit reasons for anonymity and you now have

         opened the door for govs etc. to ban their use altogether.

         After all..if the only ones now using the system are trouble

         makers......

         The 'most' important and difficult thing to posses in life and

         in which life has zero meaning without...IS FREEDOM. People

         at the top will always have theirs and it is in their best interest

         to chip away at every one else's.

         The proof is written in any history book for all to witness. Too

         bad human kind has not the ability to learn from it. Weird!

         Ahhh...crash...ouch. Oops, just fell off the soap box, hehe.

         Anyway...I doubt that this hashstuff will ever fly fully. I
         personally

         could not care less..but for peeps like Sats, Siru...it may pose a

         problem.

         (Hey, Neph. Why did you not just say the above line instead of

         being so long winded?)

         Good point! It must be a mute-gurl thing, hehe.

         --

         Nephelin

         -l-